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	<title>Comments on: Larry Benz, DPT With Tips To Stay Viable</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://pttalker.com/2009/10/larry-benz-dpt-with-tips-to-stay-viable/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I totally agree with Dr. Benz&#039;s prescription to make the PT-patient relationship a long term commitment defined by patient need, not by a physician&#039;s order.

This relationship puts the patient in the driver&#039;s seat as far as determining &#039;value&#039; (a struggle third party payers are currently unable to win).

Unfortunately, their is no future in a cash pay system where the patient chooses providers based entirely on short-run benefit.  These systems exist and are often dominated by excessive reliance on &#039;rubbing&#039; or the &#039;unsavory chiro model&#039; you mentioned in your post.

No, the American PT of the future needs to keep a sharp focus on risk reduction to demonstrate value.  Risk reduction (such as falls or reducing chronic re-occurances of LBP)is a long-term outcome that is only measurable by large, well-organized payers or their surrogates.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I totally agree with Dr. Benz&#8217;s prescription to make the PT-patient relationship a long term commitment defined by patient need, not by a physician&#8217;s order.</p>
<p>This relationship puts the patient in the driver&#8217;s seat as far as determining &#8216;value&#8217; (a struggle third party payers are currently unable to win).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, their is no future in a cash pay system where the patient chooses providers based entirely on short-run benefit.  These systems exist and are often dominated by excessive reliance on &#8216;rubbing&#8217; or the &#8216;unsavory chiro model&#8217; you mentioned in your post.</p>
<p>No, the American PT of the future needs to keep a sharp focus on risk reduction to demonstrate value.  Risk reduction (such as falls or reducing chronic re-occurances of LBP)is a long-term outcome that is only measurable by large, well-organized payers or their surrogates.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schroedter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Schroedter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand Benz to mean that customer service brings previous patients back for quality service the description of making people patients for life smacks a bit too much like the unsavory chiro model I disagree with.

I also disagree with his stance against PTs getting involved in more wellness dimensions. A therapist&#039;s competencies can and should extend to the breadth of human movement, both well and dysfunctional. The characterization of Pilates and Gyrotonic as &quot;flavors of the month&quot; seems to run counter to the previous interview&#039;s theme from Alison Cabot. I realize you are presenting a different viewpoint, and I am all for seeing many sides of an issue, but it seemed a bit derisive in the tone with which it was discussed.

I applaud Benz&#039;s focus on evidence and relying on our expertise in efficacy and cost control. I think that as we keep ourselves &quot;open&quot; to the deepening of our knowledge of what the research supports we don&#039;t &quot;close&quot; ourselves off to the new avenues of knowledge and practice growth, yet to be justified with literature but still delivering significantly positive outcomes in clinics everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand Benz to mean that customer service brings previous patients back for quality service the description of making people patients for life smacks a bit too much like the unsavory chiro model I disagree with.</p>
<p>I also disagree with his stance against PTs getting involved in more wellness dimensions. A therapist&#8217;s competencies can and should extend to the breadth of human movement, both well and dysfunctional. The characterization of Pilates and Gyrotonic as &#8220;flavors of the month&#8221; seems to run counter to the previous interview&#8217;s theme from Alison Cabot. I realize you are presenting a different viewpoint, and I am all for seeing many sides of an issue, but it seemed a bit derisive in the tone with which it was discussed.</p>
<p>I applaud Benz&#8217;s focus on evidence and relying on our expertise in efficacy and cost control. I think that as we keep ourselves &#8220;open&#8221; to the deepening of our knowledge of what the research supports we don&#8217;t &#8220;close&#8221; ourselves off to the new avenues of knowledge and practice growth, yet to be justified with literature but still delivering significantly positive outcomes in clinics everyday.</p>
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